Flair 58 vs Lelit Bianca

“You should be real certain that you want to use a flair 58.  It's not for everybody.  You really have to love that type of workflow The pricing is almost set as if they were coord  There's a lot of good machines $500 and down. The next year is $1,000, then $1,500, then 2,000, $2,500, etc. And then the offerings between those  brackets are kind of slim especially on the low end.  My suggestion is don't get the flare 58 unless you're absolutely in love with it.  And if you don't get it, pocket the budget, make do with what you have, tuck some money away every month with the goal of getting a really nice machine that you want.  Don't settle just to get something”

“I had the opposite experience with Clive. I got my Lelit Bianca + My Atom 75 from them. The Lelit arrived with the footer base pretty bent up, then sent me a new one immediately before I had even sent the other back. The second arrived with the same issue, but a little less worse. I think this is an issue with Lelit's packing, and UPS sucking. The offered to send me a new one via freight as it would come on a small pallet and be more secure. In the end, I bent the base back into shape with pliers and was all good. Then they returned and extra $400 for the damage. As far as the Atom 75, it's my mid-range. I have a Varia, and on the other end I have a $5000 Mythos MYG85. I personally prefer the Atom 75 by a long shot. I use it as my single doser. Was really easy to get dialed in, nice and fluffy. Though I didn't get the LUCCA version because it wasn't in-stock at the time.”